. >> yeah he has an incredible amount of fire and energy when it is his back up against the wall. >> bill: yeah. >> it's almost like he puts himself in positions like that so that he can get excited about politics again. he obviously didn't want to be on that stage, wednesday night. you could just tell he was like, god, 90 minutes. i'm just going to stand here for 90 minutes and let this guy say stuff, and then he sees that the entire nation is mocking him, and then he gets fired up. his aids were talking about the way you could see he was gripping the podium. it is a telltale sign that they could see his entire body language had changed. so that's -- that's something that the campaign has going for it the last month. >> bill: so now it's up to joe biden, right, to win the day and turn things around and get momentum back -- >> yeah. the right was whipping around a photo of biden -- you know some goofy photo of biden saying don't worry lefty, your ace is warming up in the bullpen. [ laughter ] >> bill: thank you so much for ryaning us ryan. look forward to getting you back in the stud